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You are cherry picking. As in:

1) You wrote: "history indicates that repeal efforts follow IRV failures to elect Condorcet winners," but this is a ridiculous statement, since in only 1% of RCV races has the non-Condorcet candidate won. There was nobody running around Burlington or Alaska saying, "Heavens, did you know the non-Condorcet candidate won this election? Whatever are we to do. The sky is falling, sky is falling."

2) The reason RCV was repealed in Burlington had nothing to do with the non-Condorcet candidate winning, it was all due to local politics. A Progressive Party candidate beat out the Republican candidate, and the progressive mayor took some positions while in office that alienated him from voters. The losing Republican candidate fanned the flames of RCV repeal, blaming the unpopular mayor on RCV.

3) Similarly in Alaska, the MAGA Republicans lost AK's lone US House seat to a moderate Native Alaskan female Democrat, and blamed it on RCV instead of them running an unpopular candidate in Sarah Palin. Plus, under the impacts of RCV, moderate Republicans took over the state senate and decided to make a governing coalition with moderate Democrats instead of with MAGA Republicans. This caused the MAGAs, from Trump on down, to push for a repeal of RCV and the Top 4 open primary. It had nothing to do with non-Condorcet candidates winning (and BTW, Alaska was filling a vacancy, which it did by using the RCV/Top 4 hybrid first in the special election and then also in a second election (in the same year) to permanently elect that seat. The non-Condorcet candidate only won the first time in the special election. In the second election to permanently elect that seat, the RCV winner was also the Condorcet winner. Same election year, same three major candidates in both elections (Peltola, Palin and Begich) and the second time Peltola was also the Condorcet winner. You were saying?

3) Yes, Burlington voters were so upset about the non-Condorcet candidate winning that they have now fully restored RCV/IRV elections, this time not only for mayor but also city council! You were saying?

4) you have seriously messed up the terminology and etymology around ranked choice voting (RCV) and instant runoff voting (IRV). There are not different types of RCV. There is only one type, that is IRV. I know this for a fact because I am one of the people who came up with both of those names. I ran the campaign for RCV in San Francisco when I was with FairVote (then known as the Center for Voting and Democracy), and in the late 1990s we changed the name from "majority preferential voting" to "instant runoff voting" because MPV was a political science term that was a terrible name for educating voters. San Francisco already had a two-round "delayed runoff", with the first election in November and a runoff election in December if necessary. So we just invented the name instant runoff voting to compare it to the "delayed runoff" in December.

In the IRV ballot measure in San Francisco, March 2002, the city attorney helping us to draft the charter amendment recommended that we include the term "ranked choice voting" along with IRV because they thought that, from a legal standpoint, it would be more descriptive and more defensible if it came to that. At this point, no other place in the country was using IRV/RCV (Cambridge was using STV), and the city attorney wanted to make sure that there was no confusion. So we went along with that added name.

Flash forward two years in 2004, when we were implementing it in San Francisco for the first time -- the director of elections unilaterally decided to change the name to ranked choice voting because he did not want to feel any pressure that he could provide "instant" results! We the advocates had little say in the matter. But it kind of worked, so for the next few years, we interchangeably used both of those names, depending on the place and context. Ranked choice voting was useful sometimes because it described what voters had to do – rank their ballot. Instant runoff voting was also useful for explaining to voters in those cities that were replacing a two-round "delayed runoff" with the "instant runoff."

Both of those names are still used today. In Richmond, California, this reform is on the Nov 5 ballot and they are calling it "instant runoff voting" because they are comparing it to a two-round "delayed runoff." In the four states voting on this method on November 5, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho and Nevada, they are all calling it ranked choice voting for their own reasons.

But they are the exact same system. Instant runoff voting = ranked choice voting = instant runoff voting = ranked choice voting. The history of those names makes it clear – there is no space at all between those two names, they are the exact same system. So...go get your own name for whatever Condorcet variant you want to peddle, because Ranked Choice Voting and Instant Runoff Voting are already taken!

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